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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rdworldsquat View Post
    I didn't say they were clean. Their program is just likely not dependent on drugs to the same extent that others are.

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    You can walk into a pharmacy over there and ask for Deca over the counter. I'm confident they are working with chemists to fiddle with the compounds and change a molecule here and there in order to circumvent current tests. Anyone remember 'The Clear'? Anyway, this is what the prohormone industry has been doing for years. Gaspari anyone? (and many many others).

    It's interesting how many want to somehow believe certain lifters are clean, like it gives them hope their own efforts aren't in vein. I dunno, or it's something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxman View Post
    We were told genetics ranked higher on importance than a training programme.
    This is true for the NFL or any other sport at the pro or elite level. This does not mean their lifters are clean and it's foolish to assume so.

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    Does anyone else find it strange that everyone got popped for the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFF View Post
    Does anyone else find it strange that everyone got popped for the same thing?
    maybe that was the 'improved' testing/technology or whatever. For those certain chemicals/metabolites

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    Beyond a conspiracy, those compounds appear to be a regular part of their stack. The may have been using compounds at the time that were altered a little. This could mean testing at the time didn't catch them. It could also mean the half-life was a little longer than the unaltered versions and they underestimated the time that was needed to clear them out of their systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RW01 View Post
    You can walk into a pharmacy over there and ask for Deca over the counter. I'm confident they are working with chemists to fiddle with the compounds and change a molecule here and there in order to circumvent current tests. Anyone remember 'The Clear'? Anyway, this is what the prohormone industry has been doing for years. Gaspari anyone? (and many many others).

    It's interesting how many want to somehow believe certain lifters are clean, like it gives them hope their own efforts aren't in vein. I dunno, or it's something...
    Again, I didn't say I believe they are clean. Can you read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RW01 View Post
    This is true for the NFL or any other sport at the pro or elite level. This does not mean their lifters are clean and it's foolish to assume so.
    I didn't say they are clean, why aren't you reading what we are saying?

    The fact is quite a few Chinese lifters won by dominating their category. For Lu Xiaojun in 2012 he was almost guaranteed to win provided he didn't bomb out. There is no reason for him to take any risks with timing. There are other lifters from other countries who are fighting tooth and nail for a medal and they want to get every advantage they can. Likewise even for the Chinese lifters in close competition I doubt China wants to get such bad press and draw too much attention from the authorities by having them constantly piss hot.

    I don't think they are clean, but I do think they aren't riding such high dosages as some of the ex Soviet countries and they are coming off earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RW01 View Post
    LOL what??
    Do you believe everyone outside of China is a moron? And couldn't "fiddle with molecules" as well?

    People get banned for 60 year old steroids because nothing better exists or at least is available to them.

    It's plain ignorant to proclaim despite all evidence that every lifter is "on the same stuff" or that the doping approach of various countries with different systems is interchangeable.

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    What about all the stuff that came out regarding Asians and detection times or something??????

    I remember hearing about that a few years ago.

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