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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by FFF View Post
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    911 - Sept 11, 2001

    USA invasion of:
    Afghanistan October 7, 2001
    Iraq - May 1, 2003 (initial action)

    Al Qaeda was gunning for the USA as early as 1995 (see Bojinka Plot involving blowing up 11 airliners travelling to the USA) In 1996 pressure from USA forced him and his motley crew out of sudan to Afghanistan where he declared WAR on the USA. In 1998 he was on the FBI most wanted list for involvement in the 1998 US Embassy bombings. It goes on. Isolationism led to a failure to act which lead to 911. The military might of the USA was neutral but Osama was not.

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    I'm not sure you can call a very brief period of not interacting with the middle east "isolationist."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PK33 View Post
    Banning any entire group of people is shameful and distasteful in my opinion. Frankly law enforcement personnel don't need to train in this persons gym and he's clearly trying to enflame a sensitive social issue, I'm assuming, by the one poster's comments, for what he hopes to be to his benefit.

    Intolerance of any sort is brutal and I frankly hope he gets his USAW membership revoked. If he really cares about social issues he should focus his efforts on supporting the vulnerable people in society and effecting change of a meaningful nature in his own community. (maybe he does in which case, good on him. Still think this type of discrimination is despicable though).
    Don't they have women only health clubs all over the country like "Curves"? How is this any different?

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Herman View Post
    911 - Sept 11, 2001

    USA invasion of:
    Afghanistan October 7, 2001
    Iraq - May 1, 2003 (initial action)

    Al Qaeda was gunning for the USA as early as 1995 (see Bojinka Plot involving blowing up 11 airliners travelling to the USA) In 1996 pressure from USA forced him and his motley crew out of sudan to Afghanistan where he declared WAR on the USA. In 1998 he was on the FBI most wanted list for involvement in the 1998 US Embassy bombings. It goes on. Isolationism led to a failure to act which lead to 911. The military might of the USA was neutral but Osama was not.
    I think youre mistaken America not being at war or America's inaction as isolationism

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Herman View Post
    But for the USA's entry into WW11 the Nazi's would have had time to finalise development of the A bomb and ICBM's (how do you think the USA got to the moon - look up Wernher von Braun). So yes it would have been Auf Wiedersehen to English given that Hitlers (sorry Kappa I had to do it again) desire was World domination and Celica that included the USA.





    But but but the USA was neutral and Japan launched a surprise raid against Pearl Harbour.






    But but but the USA was not at war with ANYONE and Osama and his pals made a surprise attack. The USA's isolationism MADE 911 happen.

    So much for your theory on isolationism. Plus no country can do well economically without international relations..trade etc. Isolationism does not work politically or economically. Hence the fix the USA finds itself in since it shut down its manufacturing.

    For as long as the USA remains a World power it will remain a huge target. Or put another way, you can't be a world power and daydream that others aren't going to go after you.

    BTW the last person who promoted isolationism was Charles Lindberg and he died of old age decades ago.

    Oh yes and getting back to that soft head dumbass Chambers. Just how long do you think Grandma would have her billions and her beautiful antiquities for if it wasn't for the cops and the rule of law. That dumbass would be as poor as the rest of us in a couple of weeks. Spread the joy I say.
    Actually, we would still be speaking English if the USA did not enter WW2. The Soviets would have just steam rolled thorough Germany. France, since it was a socialist country, would've welcomed the Red army as Liberators. Infact most Frenchies at that time would prefer Stalin over the US. Hitler's biggest mistake was declaring war on the US after Pearl Harbor. And to be honest, no one is sure if America wouldve entered into a European war.

    Also, Hitler had no desire for world domination. His grand plan was to create living space in Eastern Europe. For Hitler, the war was never about territorial gains. It was about killing Jews, Slavs and other undesirables to create that living space. And he used war as a disguise to kill them.


    So in essence, if it wasnt for our veterans, Parisians would be speaking Russian.
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    Definition of Isolationism:

    Isolationism has been defined as:

    A policy or doctrine of trying to isolate one's country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreements, and generally attempting to make one's economy entirely self-reliant; seeking to devote the entire efforts of one's country to its own advancement, both diplomatically and economically, while remaining in a state of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities

    If it wasn't isolationist what was it?? Avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities is the core of Isolationism.

    You have a well financed group with the full support of a foreign Government in Afghanistan declare war on the USA and all the USA came up with was to post a reward for Osama after he then proceeded to blow up US Embassies at which time the USA did a big fat zero UNTIL AFTER 911 occurred. Between 1995 and 2001 when 911 occurred (6 years is not a short time) the USA avoided foreign conflicts notwithstanding the USA was under a present danger which responsibly should have been met with military intervention.

    I take it that but for the line including 911 everyone agrees with the remainder of my original post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman View Post
    Definition of Isolationism:

    Isolationism has been defined as:

    A policy or doctrine of trying to isolate one's country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreements, and generally attempting to make one's economy entirely self-reliant; seeking to devote the entire efforts of one's country to its own advancement, both diplomatically and economically, while remaining in a state of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities

    If it wasn't isolationist what was it?? Avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities is the core of Isolationism.

    You have a well financed group with the full support of a foreign Government in Afghanistan declare war on the USA and all the USA came up with was to post a reward for Osama after he then proceeded to blow up US Embassies at which time the USA did a big fat zero UNTIL AFTER 911 occurred. Between 1995 and 2001 when 911 occurred (6 years is not a short time) the USA avoided foreign conflicts notwithstanding the USA was under a present danger which responsibly should have been met with military intervention.

    I take it that but for the line including 911 everyone agrees with the remainder of my original post.
    well... i guess your interpretation of isolation is different from mine

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    This is it. This is the thread that caused me to delete my account. It's been real wlforums.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFakeMaxAita View Post
    Actually, we would still be speaking English if the USA did not enter WW2. The Soviets would have just steam rolled thorough Germany. France, since it was a socialist country, would've welcomed the Red army as Liberators. Infact most Frenchies at that time would prefer Stalin over the US. Hitler's biggest mistake was declaring war on the US after Pearl Harbor. And to be honest, no one is sure if America wouldve entered into a European war.

    Also, Hitler had no desire for world domination. His grand plan was to create living space in Eastern Europe. For Hitler, the war was never about territorial gains. It was about killing Jews, Slavs and other undesirables to create that living space. And he used war as a disguise to kill them.


    So in essence, if it wasnt for our veterans, Parisians would be speaking Russian.
    Wah....thats not what Stalin, Khrushchev and Sokolov thought and wrote. They figured the 18,200 US aircraft, 7000 US tanks (russias tanks were far superior in fact), 92% of Russias Locomotives were (1,911) US locomotives, 11,225 US rail cars and hundreds of thousands of U.S.-made trucks. By 1945, nearly a third of the truck strength of the Red Army was U.S.-built (best in the war -Studebaker & Dodge trucks). All provided under the Lend Lease program.

    Then take out the Normandy invasion (the second front) and the idea that Russia could not have steam rolled a jelly blubber is more like it.

    So there....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman View Post
    Definition of Isolationism
    Well there are two things at play here...

    1. Was the US an isolated state
    2. Did said isolation cause Bin Laden to attack


    I think the answer to both those questions is: no.

    Point 1: There are conflicts of all types all over the world, we can't be involved in all of them. The fact that we may or may not have been involved in a few in the middle east throughout particular periods of time doesn't make the US "Isolationist." It's not really debated that when we "secretly" supplied the Afghans with weapons and training to fight against the Russians that they later turned against the US. One could argue that it was our fault because we withdrew to some degree without helping them set up any sort of infrastructure after they had been ravaged by Russia, but that single act is not isolationism.

    Point 2: I'm not really sure why keeping to ourselves would madden Bin Laden. Bin Laden was a radicalized Muslim, and as such hated Israel and all its supporters. The two biggest reasons he attacked the US was because we were an ally to Israel and because of our constant meddling in the Middle East.


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