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    I only made it thru about 4 minutes. Pretty bad.

    I used to like Clarence a lot. Even when it was clear he was just going to juice his mind out and be an IG hero I was still fine with it. But now that he's pushing a political agenda on the back of drug use, he can suck it, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFF View Post
    I only made it thru about 4 minutes. Pretty bad.

    I used to like Clarence a lot. Even when it was clear he was just going to juice his mind out and be an IG hero I was still fine with it. But now that he's pushing a political agenda on the back of drug use, he can suck it, imo.

    maybe i skimmed thru too fast, what political what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matej.polak View Post


    I recall times when Clarence criticized/made fun of ppl for showing technique with light weights. He has gone a long way since.

    My hopes were high, but I cringed a lot during this tutorial.
    It was nothing that hasn't already been posted online by many others...but he's trying to create new content so why not drop some feedback to him or on the video?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatmoutain View Post
    maybe i skimmed thru too fast, what political what?
    Vegan agenda

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFF View Post
    Vegan agenda
    It is better for you and better for the environment in most real terms, to the effect you'd probably make more of an impact being vegan and burning your garbage in your yard and driving a V8 muscle car with no catalytic converters everywhere. That said, the weird and unrealistic part of the vegan agenda is the idea of totally eliminating meat consumption entirely, instead of working to just reduce it to sustainable levels and that not every meal needs meat, and you don't need a pound of hamburger a day for survival, etc.

    But I liked Clarence when he was more mysterious and the big allure was he just lifted weights and did no social media/etc at all, which I liked a lot. But it's part of "the game" now, I guess. To the point you make more money being a social media athlete than actually competing and winning in most Western countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celicaxx View Post
    the weird and unrealistic part of the vegan agenda is the idea of totally eliminating meat consumption entirely, instead of working to just reduce it to sustainable levels
    So then, the whole thing?

    There is nothing inherently healthier about a "vegan" diet. There is nothing inherently "greener" about a "vegan" diet. Like most extremist political ideologies, it starts with an appeal to emotion, and then cherry picks data to give people the confirmation bias they need to continue believing it.

    If you're against factory farming, great. If you're against totalitarian agriculture, great. But in order for living organisms to continue living, they must consume other living organisms. That is a simple fact of biology, and will not ever change. Plants are living, breathing, feeling lifeforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFF View Post
    So then, the whole thing?

    There is nothing inherently healthier about a "vegan" diet. There is nothing inherently "greener" about a "vegan" diet. Like most extremist political ideologies, it starts with an appeal to emotion, and then cherry picks data to give people the confirmation bias they need to continue believing it.

    If you're against factory farming, great. If you're against totalitarian agriculture, great. But in order for living organisms to continue living, they must consume other living organisms. That is a simple fact of biology, and will not ever change. Plants are living, breathing, feeling lifeforms.
    Yes, but there's different degrees of sentience to lifeforms. Most philosophies of the world basically state the more sentient a life form is, the more respect said life form should have. Mind you, plants do have a higher degree of sentience than widely believed, but their degree of sentience is much lower than basically any mammal. But even if you give no fucks about the sentience of the organisms you eat, the bigger and more broadly important idea of veganism is the simple economics of it. If it takes a hundred pounds of soybeans or corn to make a pound of beef, that's a lot of used resources considering that you as a human could be eating those foods (or, I dunno, lentils or something not GMO, hopefully...) directly at basically a hundred times more efficiency. Another sustainability issue is antibiotic resistance, which is mainly caused by animal agriculture. In USA, antibiotics given directly to humans only account for 30% of all antibiotics used the rest are for animal agriculture, and without really any regulations or oversight about it. And currently a big thing going on is there is a gene mutation going on with bacteria, MCR-1, that allows it resistance to basically our most powerful antibiotic, colistin. "Well, why can't we just stop using antibiotics?" The animals simply wouldn't survive to maturity without them due to the factory farm conditions, and without said factory farm conditions, your meat prices would be absolutely insane, probably like $10 a pound for chicken breast or something (hah, just checked, Whole Foods is $9 per pound, so not too far off...) and this would cause people to stop consuming as much meat. (Or hey, everyone could be allowed chicken coops in their yards and apartment rooftops and no corporate whatever, but that's a fairly farfetched dream, too...) With this efficiency thing, that's the main logical point, and that is actually Clarence's big reason for doing it, not animal sentience or inherent love for animals.

    As for health, again, it depends. Yes, a meat eater eating chicken breasts and broccoli is going to be healthier than a vegan eating Coca Cola and potato chips all day. But, the saturated fat and cholesterol of meat aren't really good in high dosages to the human body. This being said, I'm not going to deny there are some benefits to meat, some people do need a little exogenous cholesterol, some people do need the extra carnitine or taurine from meat, during developmental years some more meat and dairy consumption could be better due to it raising IGF-1, etc. I think the most logical way to look at meat is like alcohol in it's health benefits and risks. Red wine has health benefits, and moderate consumption may be better than none at all, cool. But this doesn't mean you should down a box of Franzia every night. But with the meat industry, and various diets seemingly sponsored by the meat industry, to me it looks like the health recommendations being touted now like Paleo Diets and the like are the equivalent of downing a box of Franzia every night.

    Just saying, ultimately, veganism is mostly right and does have mostly good points. But because of the sort of adversarial nature of human relations, instead of being able to logically and with a clear head look at good and bad points and see where things could improve, it comes down to arguments such as "VEGANS JUST WANNA STEAL YOUR BARBECUE AND HATE AMERICA" or something, like the health care debate, Iraq War, whatever. So, comparing health care, if you brought up that maybe we could afford single payer health care like every other country in the world if we weren't at war, and USA is ranked 31st in the world for healthcare, instead of people thinking "man, this is a good and logical criticism" instead people respond back "SEE, YOU'RE A SOCIALIST AND HATE AMERICA AND WANT DEATH PANELS!!!" or something, so that the actual problem(s) are never solved.

    This all being said, I went to Arby's this afternoon. For me it's just too impractical as my friends/family/social circle don't give a fuck and I don't want to further alienate myself from everyone else around me more than I already am, so I keep food around, for better or worse as the one thing I don't totally utterly alienate everyone else with. Plus I don't wanna seem like a hypocrite if I eat a burger or something once in a while.

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    Again, I would challenge the idea that "veganism is mostly right." Why? Every negative you've mentioned about the consumption of red meat is related to factory farmed, corn fed, or processed beef. This is akin to saying "air is bad for you, because some air is polluted."

    Veganism requires a huge amount of supplementation and consumption of highly processed foods to be nutritionally complete. If vegans didn't eat highly processed foods like tofu and seitan or protein shakes, they would have be difficult times consuming optimal amounts of protein. Their diets are typically lacking in essential fatty acids without supplementation. And all of those vegan products are harvested using gas burning machinery, processed in a gas burning factory, shipped in a gas burning truck, plane or boat, etc...

    Dietary cholesterol has little to no effect on blood cholesterol. On the flip side, saturated fats and cholesterol are crucial for hormone production.

    The benefits of eating a large amount of vegetables are:
    High fiber content
    exceptional micro nutrient to calorie ratio

    Being a vegan =/=eating a lot of vegetables. Eating meat regularly =/=not eating vegetables.


    The bit about levels of consciousness being correlated to life value flies directly in the face of veganism. Their entire argument is based on the idea "why do you draw the line at dogs/cats? Why are cows different? A fish's life is just as important as a dog's etc...."

    If people want to be vegan, I really don't care, that's their personal choice, but it's not inherently healthier or greener.

    Disclaimer: I don't even eat that much beef.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFF View Post
    Vegan agenda
    He isn't bragging about it. He's only mentioned it a couple of times because he was asked about his diet in a Q&A. Stop acting like you know everything.

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    Me too and i may be wrong,he is an excepcional athlete but his technique could improve,he bangs and loops the bar too much.

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