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    I saw the further entries and none of the women's A team will appear, no Deng Wei, Li Wenwen etc.

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    W55 results: none of China's top 3 in this class lifted, instead we had:

    Xiao Yuan 98/121/219
    Zhou Jun 95/123/218
    Su Tingting 96/121/217

    Video of best lifts:
    https://tv.cctv.com/2021/05/11/VIDEw...Z3210511.shtml

    I also want to compare these totals to the Tokyo rankings:



    So the top 6 in China have higher results than any other country, yet NONE of these women will likely go to the Olympics.

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    W59 results (Chen Guiming not entered):

    Luo Shifang 106*/130/236 (*NR)
    Xiang Qiuxiang 101/131/232
    Ou Lingli 101/131/232

    Video of best lifts:
    https://tv.cctv.com/v/v1/VIDEr9vmKsw...XrE210511.html

    Luo Shifang was born in 2001, as such her lifts are better than the Junior WRs of 104/129/228.
    She was called for a press out on her 136 c&j attempt which would have given her the NR for the total.

    Pei Xinyi (*2005) snatched 102 for an unofficial Youth WR.
    Last edited by erpel; 05-12-2021 at 09:38 AM.

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    I'm not sure what your point is? Team sizes are capped for obvious reasons and it's China's decision on whether or not they send 55kg lifter. I'm sure the same issue is seen in other sports.

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    Yes, the obvious reason is China's utter dominance in WL, that's why we have awful Olympic team sizes in this sport.
    The first women ever to win a Gold in Sydney from Bulgaria (and a few days later USA) wasn't actually the best 48kg lifter in the world. She only won because the WR holder wasn't allowed to go.

    These restrictions were deliberately put into place so that China couldn't win all 7 women categories in Sydney. Which they would've done if one is familiar with the rankings at the time.

    Of course this is also true for the men to a lesser extent and for other countries. We never actually see the best lifters in the Olympics for 20 years now.

    And no, this cannot be compared to other sports. You can have two Jamaicans in every sprinting final, two Germans in every throwing final and two Australians in every swimming final. In WL we can't even have one lifter from a country in each final.
    Last edited by erpel; 05-11-2021 at 06:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b_degennaro View Post
    I would agree to give China a bigger benefit of the doubt due to their history versus Kazakhstan/Thailand/Bulgaria/et al. The Chinese women largely seem to not care much about their appearances, don't think they wear much if any makeup and some have shown unshaven pits in the past. This lifter could be completely clean but highly responsive to weightlifting like several women I know. I'm definitely at fault for that assumption.
    China isn't Kazakhstan yes, but they also aren't Korea or Japan.
    They have such a vast system, you'll naturally get smart coaches and dumb coaches. If you want to make it there as a coach you first have to beat other domestic rivals and using proven but old steroids offers an easy way.

    W45 Chen is virilized like Wang Jie, Chinshanlo, Hsu, Kostova, Podobedova, etc. It shouldn't be shrugged off just because she's not Thai/European.
    Last edited by erpel; 05-11-2021 at 07:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbasic View Post
    good nuance
    I spent nine years in a power sport (throwing/athletics) and met plenty naturally big/"masculine" women and follow WL since 2004.

    After a certain time you can just tell, sorry. The virilization from steroids is very destinct from inherited genetics. For example I would never accuse Valentin/Rogers merely because of jaw or shoulder size. That's just lazy. To me these women look/sound clean of "hard" drugs.

    Chen's croaky voice is an obvious giveaway, no 17y old girl will sound like that naturally.

    We have a lot of established precedent to apply occam's razor. Yes, she could be intersex too. But I highly doubt it.
    Last edited by erpel; 05-11-2021 at 07:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erpel View Post
    Of course this is also true for the men to a lesser extent and for other countries. We never actually see the best lifters in the Olympics for 20 years now.
    i know you don't mean this 100%, but still bit "strong" opinion.
    Do you mean for certain weight class? (or couple of classes?)

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    China pulled all of their lifters from the upcoming Junior worlds. This could be related to the previously discussed travel troubles:
    https://www.insidethegames.biz/artic...hletes-at-risk

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    Nationals, W64 results:

    Yi Chuwei 106/134/240
    Yuan Wangjian 105/135/240
    Zeng Tiantian 105/131/236

    video of best lifts:
    https://tv.cctv.com/v/v1/VIDE3V3bYIY...blI210512.html

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    W71 only had 9 entries and arguably poor results as the best women from last year moved up to W76. The winner was Zheng Haiming with 106/124/230.
    Last edited by erpel; 05-12-2021 at 12:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matej.polak View Post
    i know you don't mean this 100%, but still bit "strong" opinion.
    Do you mean for certain weight class? (or couple of classes?)
    Well, as a blanket statement for the whole sport of course it would be hyperbole. But with details such as the individual categories it's just plain facts.

    Li Yajun, Liao Qiuyun, Zhang Wangli, Huang Minhao, Li Dayin, Tian Tao and Yang Zhe are all currently world record holders. There's a high chance we will see neither of them in the Tokyo Olympics.
    Last edited by erpel; 05-12-2021 at 08:43 AM.

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    Chinese results from today:

    W76

    Xiang Yanmei 113/143/256
    Liao Guifang 115/140/255
    Su Xiaoqiong 113/140/253

    Peng Cuiting (*2001) who snatched an unofficial WR of 123 at W71 last year only made her opener of 115 on the third try and came fourth in the total.

    video with best lifts
    https://tv.cctv.com/v/v1/VIDEZCiBtEw...bJW210513.html

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    W81 only had 4 entries and was won with 91/114/205 (no comment).
    Last edited by erpel; 05-13-2021 at 11:10 AM.

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    Good for second place in the 49s. I love the non-Olympic categories, makes people like me think I have a shot.

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